Is this a defect? help please

[GailCarey]

Recently I've had a lot of trouble with the sale on Ebay of my Bo-elle reborn doll. If you have not read the posts about this here are the links to my recent posts about this matter.

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What I would really like to know is this:


IS A DOLL WITH FIXED LIMBS (NO JOINTS, FULL LIMBS) CONSIDERED FAULTY IF THE LIMBS ARE NOT MOVABLE?

http://store.dolldreams.net/Sally-Kathy ... _622.html#

I have sold many dolls over the past few years with full arms and never once has a buyer complained about them not moving until now. Am I at fault here? Would really like to know.

thanks in advance,
Gail

[NancyWdollielover]

I ONLY buy bodies from Dolldreams for all my toddlers..Arianna, Bo-Elle, Leontyne, Belinda and both of the Regina S. toddlers have the exact style arm holes, JUST different size holes to match the kits And they can all wear sleeveless tops
Maybe it is your cable ties, only use ones with a tiny metal tooth inside the little head(Dolldreams sells that kind,as does Gina, and more sellers too)

[GailCarey]

I ONLY buy bodies from Dolldreams for all my toddlers..Arianna, Bo-Elle, Leontyne, Belinda and both of the Regina S. toddlers have the exact style arm holes, JUST different size holes to match the kits And they can all wear sleeveless tops
Maybe it is your cable ties, only use ones with a tiny metal tooth inside the little head(Dolldreams sells that kind,as does Gina, and more sellers too)

thanks Nancy.........those ARE the ones I use.

hugs,
Gail

[Tracy Lorraine]

I just received my Boelle from Nancy this week & both of her arms move. Sorry, you're having so much trouble with this one.

[GailCarey]

thank you Nancy and Tracy for your replies but I really need to know if 'fixed limb' arms do not move in the opening is this considered a defect in a reborn, or broken, etc? I need to know if I am at fault here. I want to be a good reborner.

thanks,
Gail

[NancyWdollielover]

when I am finished with BoElle or any of my full arm toddlers, the arms can move like the head can move side to side, not real easily BUT they buyer can move the head and the arms... It really isn't hard to do honestly, just like the head.

[GailCarey]

when I am finished with BoElle or any of my full arm toddlers, the arms can move like the head can move side to side, not real easily BUT they buyer can move the head and the arms... It really isn't hard to do honestly, just like the head.

okay, I'll take that as a 'yes' then Nancy.

hugs,
gail

[GailCarey]

wow..........150 views and only 2 replies. I guess no one wants to tell me if unmovable limbs are a defect or not. Thanks Nancy for your help. You're the best!

Gail

[lisa_moments_in_infinity]

IMHO, if you didn't say they would move, then it is not a defect. There are full limbed bodies that you can buy that are disc jointed, they just have a small cap on them.... it is similar to the full jointed legs versus the ones that have the legs attached to the front of the body. The disc jointed bodies are the ones I try to get if I can because then it is easier for posing and movement. I am not sure why yours is having trouble turning sorry I couldn't be more help....

[GailCarey]

IMHO, if you didn't say they would move, then it is not a defect. There are full limbed bodies that you can buy that are disc jointed, they just have a small cap on them.... it is similar to the full jointed legs versus the ones that have the legs attached to the front of the body. The disc jointed bodies are the ones I try to get if I can because then it is easier for posing and movement. I am not sure why yours is having trouble turning sorry I couldn't be more help....

thanks Lisa......just your reply is help in itself because I am feeling very inept at the moment.
hugs,
gail

[lisa_moments_in_infinity]

IMHO, if you didn't say they would move, then it is not a defect. There are full limbed bodies that you can buy that are disc jointed, they just have a small cap on them.... it is similar to the full jointed legs versus the ones that have the legs attached to the front of the body. The disc jointed bodies are the ones I try to get if I can because then it is easier for posing and movement. I am not sure why yours is having trouble turning sorry I couldn't be more help....

thanks Lisa......just your reply is help in itself because I am feeling very inept at the moment.
hugs,
gail

You'll find a solution that works for you...

[Jaunty Jagoda]

I thing it may be considered as your fault. In my opinion collectors expect reborn dolls to be "soft and poseable". Except when you clearly state they're not.

[Royal Ascot Reborns Caz]

Do you mean full arm un jointed body? Or full body like the LDC Victoria doll? If full arm un jointed soft body, yes they move. Just a case of getting the cable ties not too tight? I don't like full limb jointed bodies personally as they look like they have wrestlers shoulders. Much prefer unjointed full limb bodies & ties loose enough to move the arms.
If you mean the Victoria sculpt body, no idea as I haven't done it. Haven't done any toddler reborns either.

[_Melinda]

I guess my take is that if the doll is shown in pictures in different positions, I expect the limbs to move in those positions when I buy them. If they do not, I think it should be stated in the listing that the doll is not jointed, but was specially posed in pictures unassembled. It may be considered deceptive not too. I don't think this is a matter of something be defective as much as I think it's a matter of what some might consider faulty advertising. Now, I'm stating this from my point of view as a lawyer with commercial experience; not because I think you intended to deceive anyone. I purchased your Suze awhile back and absolutely loved her! Your work is very good. And, I've purchased non jointed reborns, and have been happy with them because the limbs sort of flopped around a little though I couldn't raise them over the dolls head for example.

My advice would be to state that a doll is not jointed; and if the baby don't pose like she does in the pix, to say that too. It'll save you a lot of grief in future listings.

Boelle is beautiful by the way!

[GailCarey]

Do you mean full arm un jointed body? Or full body like the LDC Victoria doll? If full arm un jointed soft body, yes they move. Just a case of getting the cable ties not too tight? I don't like full limb jointed bodies personally as they look like they have wrestlers shoulders. Much prefer unjointed full limb bodies & ties loose enough to move the arms.
If you mean the Victoria sculpt body, no idea as I haven't done it. Haven't done any toddler reborns either.

yes, it's the full limb unjointed body I am referring to. Tried leaving the cable tie loose for the first buyer but arm fell off. Tried putting ribbon around the grooves for the second buyer but left arm still wouldn't move.

thanks!
Gail

[CLmamaof4]

Just wanted to offer

[Terrie]

A lot of full limb reborns have limbs that don't move. I was surprised when I bought one from a "famous" reborner several years ago and the legs and head would not move. I have had several different buyers send me emails surprised that my full limb babies limbs moved so freely and I have even had one buyer send me a reborn by someone else to "fix" the head so it would move. It is not a fault if it was not advertised such as "arms and legs move freely". I say it is not a defect.

After I am completely done painting and before I start to assemble the doll, I coat all the grooves of the full limb/unjointed limbs and head, with superglue. I brush on a thick coat and let sit overnight to dry. It works perfectly.

hugs
Terrie

[Royal Ascot Reborns Caz]

Do you mean full arm un jointed body? Or full body like the LDC Victoria doll? If full arm un jointed soft body, yes they move. Just a case of getting the cable ties not too tight? I don't like full limb jointed bodies personally as they look like they have wrestlers shoulders. Much prefer unjointed full limb bodies & ties loose enough to move the arms.
If you mean the Victoria sculpt body, no idea as I haven't done it. Haven't done any toddler reborns either.

yes, it's the full limb unjointed body I am referring to. Tried leaving the cable tie loose for the first buyer but arm fell off. Tried putting ribbon around the grooves for the second buyer but left arm still wouldn't move.

thanks!
Gail

That's a mystery then. Not known that before. I have done lots with full arms/legs, like Jack Kewy, Berenguers that I gave soft bodies. Reese (which I haven't finished yet admittedly) Not sure what you can do there!

[lastingmemoriesnursery_Debra]

I don't think I am understanding. No reborn that I am aware of has fixed arms. Just because she is a full limb baby all limbs should still be able to move even if it is only up and down. Are there no joints in the shoulder? I know doll dreams has some with just a tiny cap for full limb babies (not sure about toddlers) But even without the joint they should be able to move some.

[NancyWdollielover]

I don't think I am understanding. No reborn that I am aware of has fixed arms. Just because she is a full limb baby all limbs should still be able to move even if it is only up and down. Are there no joints in the shoulder? I know doll dreams has some with just a tiny cap for full limb babies (not sure about toddlers) But even without the joint they should be able to move some.

All the full limb arm bodies from Germany (I have used), like Adrie Stoete and Dolldreams sell, have an arm opening EXACTLY like the neck opening on every doll body. You put the arm/shoulder into the arm hole(like you do the dolls neck into the neck opening) tighten the cable tie, with a little bit of give(like you do the head) and the arm will move up and down, and backwords, just like the head. It doesn't swing around losely, BUT the buyer can move them